tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post8395523625063142734..comments2023-10-24T07:22:32.978-04:00Comments on Karate Conditioning: More on "Whipping" techniquesJoe Bernehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06184260843542299066noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-67017991131316199782015-11-16T22:08:16.266-05:002015-11-16T22:08:16.266-05:00Thanks for the great article; I just discovered th...Thanks for the great article; I just discovered this blog! I realize I am extremely late to the party, but I just stumbled across this. It's something I've been wondering about lately, for similar reasons.<br /><br />I felt it was worth noting that, in both he case of the towel and the bull whip, it is precisely that pulling back that creates the snap, that can, in the case of the bull whip cause the end to exceed the sound barrier. (Though apparently it's a loop, not the tip, that causes the crack.) If you don't snap the handle back at the end of the swing, the whip still moves quickly, but nowhere near as quickly. In the case of the towel, try it for yourself. At best, with a unidirectional swing, you can make a towel thump or smack the other guy, but you really need that last second pull-back to get the whipping action that causes the sharp stinging. In both the whip and the towel, the pull back in the opposite direction of the swing is precisely what causes the tip to move so fast.<br /><br />I have read that the pulling back at the end of cracking a whip is responsible for accelerating the tip to up to thirty times the original speed of the handle. Clearly, the physics of the human body are somewhat different, but still...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12838898338311353366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-55842856435003326322011-06-25T20:59:09.622-04:002011-06-25T20:59:09.622-04:00What I'd really like is some time in a lab wit...What I'd really like is some time in a lab with force sensors, high quality digital video filming technology, and some computer techs to figure exactly what's going on with some really good martial artists (in terms of just what parts move how and when)! I think we're basically in agreement, though, in that we both agree that staged activation certainly gets taken to extremes by some people and probably doesn't work when they do that. <br />I wish I could eat sausage sandwiches myself! I just can't keep my weight down if I eat bread. And thanks so much for the feedback - I LOVE Djurdjevic's stuff, he knows far more about technique than I ever will!Joe Bernehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184260843542299066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-27840650589325092062011-06-25T20:46:16.994-04:002011-06-25T20:46:16.994-04:00Definitely the hip is still moving forward on impa...Definitely the hip is still moving forward on impact. I had some doubt as to whether this would qualify as 'whip like', but he's very clear in the section from 1:15 to 1:50 that he is using a staged activation type movement.<br />This is a great blog by the way, I found it through Dan Djurdjevic's. I'm not giving up sausage sandwiches though.KFShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15967035482928000509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-35149847230449826872011-06-25T20:24:53.986-04:002011-06-25T20:24:53.986-04:00I agree, Consterdine's technique looks impress...I agree, Consterdine's technique looks impressive. I could be wrong but I watched the video a couple of times and it really seems like he's landing the strikes as the hip is still moving forward - it doesn't look like a whip to me, it looks like his striking shoulder is keeping alignment with the hip underneath it. If there is a whipping motion (the hip rotates, energy is stored in the core, the shoulder follows) it's certainly subtle - there isn't a big lag, and certainly not the kind of exaggerated whip you'll see sometimes where the hip moves clearly before the shoulders. In fact, I imagine you can't ever get the shoulders to move perfectly with the hips - there will always be some lag, even if it's very small, just because nobody's core can be perfectly rigid. Either way, thanks very much for the link! It's s wonderful video and one of the nicest demonstrations of the double hip I've ever seen.Joe Bernehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184260843542299066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-65518444162051498662011-06-25T19:06:16.471-04:002011-06-25T19:06:16.471-04:00The whipping style works perfectly if you do not r...The whipping style works perfectly if you do not retract the hip before impact, allowing your weight to travel forward into the target. Peter Consterdine demonstrates it beautifuly <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRqfYwhsQdQ" rel="nofollow">here.</a><br />I don't practice this style myself, but there is no doubting its effectiveness.KFShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15967035482928000509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-57716189366851262662011-03-04T21:46:07.026-05:002011-03-04T21:46:07.026-05:00You're more than welcome!!! You're a big ...You're more than welcome!!! You're a big part of the reason I've been thinking through some of these issues (along with, oddly, something a guy I trained with for 3 days about 4 years ago tried to teach me, but I didn't understand it!)Joe Bernehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184260843542299066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-10529077832548180712011-03-04T19:05:20.041-05:002011-03-04T19:05:20.041-05:00Well said Joe - a thorough analysis of what is tru...Well said Joe - a thorough analysis of what is truly a "dead-end".<br /><br />People are so overly concerned about how "powerful" an air punch feels that they never stop to think about how "powerful" it actually is!<br /><br />Well done!<br /><br />(And thanks very much for your kind words about my blog!)Dan Djurdjevichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352771904545108503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-86624748537157295472011-01-28T18:39:17.745-05:002011-01-28T18:39:17.745-05:00Thanks, Jon! The "relax the body and send a ...Thanks, Jon! The "relax the body and send a wave through it like a whip" method of striking is very widely taught. I was lucky enough to have a teacher to challenge it (a guy I trained with for only 3 days!) and I've been trying to figure out what to do ever since.Joe Bernehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184260843542299066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448441443019467760.post-82473653471003820202011-01-28T13:52:52.599-05:002011-01-28T13:52:52.599-05:00Nice post Joe - really convincing evaluation of th...Nice post Joe - really convincing evaluation of the physics, and the perceived physics of the motion, as well as the potential physiological damage to the self in the process!Rabbi Jonathan Freirichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05623734436161925498noreply@blogger.com